Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124

03/13/2013 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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+= HB 76 UNEMPLOYMENT; ELEC. FILING OF LABOR INFO TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 74 AIDEA: LNG PROJECT; DIVIDENDS; FINANCING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 112 REPEAL FILM PRODUCTION TAX CREDIT TELECONFERENCED
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         HB 74-AIDEA: LNG PROJECT; DIVIDENDS; FINANCING                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 74,  "An  Act  relating to  development  project                                                               
financing  by  the  Alaska   Industrial  Development  and  Export                                                               
Authority; relating  to the dividends from  the Alaska Industrial                                                               
and   Export  Authority;   authorizing   the  Alaska   Industrial                                                               
Development and  Export Authority to provide  financing and issue                                                               
bonds for a  liquefied natural gas production  system and natural                                                               
gas distribution system; and providing for an effective date."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:47:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  referred to  a  letter  from a  Dalton                                                               
Highway trucker  who expressed concern  about traffic  and safety                                                               
issues.  He asked whether AIDEA has a response to this concern.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SARA  FISHER-GOAD, Executive  Director,  Alaska Energy  Authority                                                               
(AEA), Department  of Commerce, Community &  Economic Development                                                               
(DCCED), stated  that AEA  has consulted  with the  Department of                                                               
Transportation &  Public Facilities (DOT&PF) with  respect to the                                                               
Dalton  Highway and  has every  indication  that the  anticipated                                                               
traffic is manageable with respect to the project.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON asked whether the  AEA could provide estimates on the                                                               
amount  of  traffic  for  the  first  roll  out  and  again  once                                                               
Fairbanks reaches 18,000 LNG customers.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISHER-GOAD  replied that the initial  traffic is anticipated                                                               
to be 25 trucks  each way on the Dalton Highway.   She offered to                                                               
provide  an  estimate  on  the  further build  out  by  the  next                                                               
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:48:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  asked  how   AIDEA  calculated  the  $50                                                               
million  in general  fund funding  necessary for  the project  to                                                               
reduce the cost of providing LNG to Fairbanks.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:49:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS,  Deputy Director,  Alaska Industrial  Development and                                                               
Export  Authority (AIDEA),  Department of  Commerce, Community  &                                                               
Economic  Development  (DCCED),  answered  that  AIDEA  performed                                                               
modeling to  determine impacts and  determined $50  million would                                                               
be sufficient  to reach  the target of  $10.33 Mcf  in Fairbanks.                                                               
He explained that  AIDEA estimated the cost of  the potential LNG                                                               
plant at $200  million.  He stated that AIDEA  determined the $50                                                               
million  plus   the  $125  million  in   the  Sustainable  Energy                                                               
Transmission and  Supply Development  Fund (SETS) loan  with some                                                               
private  capital  could achieve  that  rate.   He  clarified  the                                                               
figure  represented  the  minimum  amount  of  general  funds  to                                                               
accomplish the target rate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:50:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SADDLER   asked   for  confirmation   that   the                                                               
capitalization for the SETS fund is $125 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS replied  that AIDEA is requesting to  transfer to AIDEA                                                               
$125   million  in   addition  to   the  existing   $125  million                                                               
appropriated to the SETS fund last year.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER assumed last  year's appropriation was for                                                               
the  potential LNG  project.   He asked  for the  purpose of  the                                                               
additional $125 million in SETS funding.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS responded  that the  additional transfer  of funds  to                                                               
AIDEA  from the  Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation  (AHFC) with                                                               
passage  of this  bill would  be used  for a  loan, as  stated in                                                               
Section  10 of  HB 74,  at approximately  three percent  for this                                                               
project.    In other  words,  the  $125 million  the  legislature                                                               
appropriated  last year  in Senate  Bill 25  would remain  in the                                                               
fund.  He clarified that AIDEA  has divided the $125 million into                                                               
two  segments:   $100  million  has  been invested  in  long-term                                                               
instruments  available  for loan  and  bond  guarantees that  are                                                               
essentially credit back  stops and $25 million  has been invested                                                               
in shorter  term instruments, which  is available for  loans that                                                               
could be made under the current SETS program.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT,  referring to  the fiscal  note, related                                                               
that the  bonds will be  secured by a  capital reserve fund.   He                                                               
asked whether this  refers to the SETS fund, such  that the bonds                                                               
will be secured through the SETS fund.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  responded that the  $150 million in bonds  AIDEA would                                                               
be authorized to  issue under the bill will have  a backup of $30                                                               
million  based on  the  $100  million already  in  the SETS  fund                                                               
available for credit back stops.   These funds would only be used                                                               
in the event of a defalcation of  the bonds, he said.  In further                                                               
response to Representative Chenault,  Mr. Davis explained the $30                                                               
million  is currently  in  the  SETS fund  and  the $125  million                                                               
transferred from AHFC would be used in total for the loan.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:52:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CHENAULT  asked  for further  clarification  that                                                               
AIDEA does not  intend to use more than $125  million of the SETS                                                               
fund to bring this project forward.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS answered  that the $125 million under HB  74 would only                                                               
be used if  the proposed LNG project moves forward.   The current                                                               
SETS fund would  remain; however, the SETS fund might  be used as                                                               
a  credit  backstop for  the  issuance  of  bonds, if  bond  were                                                               
issued.    In further  response  to  Representative Chenault,  he                                                               
agreed  [that such  a credit  backstop] would  be the  previously                                                               
mentioned $30 million.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT  referred to  the fiscal note  from AIDEA                                                               
for $125  million.  He asked  whether this would be  needed since                                                               
$125 million  is in  the proposed operating  budget for  the SETS                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS replied  that  he  has been  informed  that the  House                                                               
Finance  Committee has  approved a  transfer; however,  he opined                                                               
that  those funds  should  probably be  reflected  in the  fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:54:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  asked for the conversion  costs for each                                                               
residence.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered that two  issues arise with  the distribution                                                               
system.   First,  customers must  hook  up to  the whole  system,                                                               
which  is  estimated to  cost  $50  to  $500  per customer.    He                                                               
predicted that it would likely  cost closer to $300 per customer.                                                               
Second, customers must  convert from oil to gas  for heating, but                                                               
these  costs  would  depend  on   the  age  of  the  oil  boiler.                                                               
Customers with relatively new boilers  would need to change their                                                               
burning system,  which would be a  modest cost.  However,  if the                                                               
residence has an  older system, the customer may  need to replace                                                               
the entire boiler  and system, which would basically  be the cost                                                               
of a furnace.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:56:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE REINBOLD  recalled that  a friend paid  $10,000 to                                                               
replace  her  boiler.    She  asked for  an  estimate  of  boiler                                                               
replacement costs, the  party who will be responsible  to pay for                                                               
the  conversion   costs,  and   whether  AIDEA  has   assessed  a                                                               
willingness from all of its customers to convert to gas.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS, drawing from estimates  from contractors in Fairbanks,                                                               
estimated  that  the  [average]  boiler  replacement  cost  would                                                               
probably be close to $8,000.   He said part of the bonds issuance                                                               
will be to ensure demand from customers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHENAULT again referred  to AIDEA's fiscal note of                                                               
$125 million, which  he said is in the governor's  proposed FY 14                                                               
budget as a transfer from  the Alaska housing capital corporation                                                               
fund.   However,  he recalled  that in  the operating  budget the                                                               
funding source for the $125 million is the general fund.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL GROSSI,  Lobbyist, Alaska  State Pipe  Trades UA  Local 375,                                                               
stated that the  plumbers and pipefitters believe this  is a good                                                               
bill.     He  related  that   about  half  of  the   plumber  and                                                               
pipefitter's membership  lives in the  Fairbanks area.   He asked                                                               
members for their support and said this will be a great bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:59:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACK  HEBERT,  Member,  Board of  Directors,  Alaska  State  Home                                                               
Building Association (ASHBA) -  Interior; President, Cold Climate                                                               
Housing Research  Center, stated that  HB 74  is a fine  bill for                                                               
the community.   He said  just a little light  at the end  of the                                                               
tunnel will  change the atmosphere  in Fairbanks.  He  added that                                                               
the Cold  Climate Housing  Research Center  will look  closely at                                                               
options on conversions and ways to affordably do so.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:00:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERRY  DIZINSKI  echoed  Mr.  Hebert's   comments  that  this  is                                                               
something that will really help  Fairbanks stay alive.  Fairbanks                                                               
needs a break in fuel costs.   He predicted that conversion costs                                                               
from oil  to gas will very  quickly pay for itself  since it will                                                               
be at  such a reasonable  cost.  He urged  members to pass  HB 74                                                               
out of committee.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVE  THOMPSON, Alaska State  Legislature, stated                                                               
that this  project has taken a  number of years, but  the project                                                               
will cut heating  costs by approximately 50 percent or  more.  He                                                               
predicted  the  bill  would  also help  Bush  and  rural  Alaska,                                                               
including lots  of industrial  projects that  will start  up with                                                               
reduction  in energy  costs.   He said  the community  is excited                                                               
about this,  as it has  been a long time  in coming and  he would                                                               
appreciate the committee's support for HB 74.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON,  in the  event that HB  4 passes  and a                                                               
pipeline project occurs  with a spur to the  Fairbanks North Star                                                               
Borough,  asked whether  the  retrofitting  and conversion  would                                                               
still  need to  happen.   He understood  Fairbanks would  move to                                                               
natural gas.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON  answered that trucking natural  gas will                                                               
give  Fairbanksans  more  immediate  relief.   He  anticipated  a                                                               
pipeline being  built by 2020,  which would bring  less expensive                                                               
gas than  trucking to  the region;  however, the  community needs                                                               
immediate  relief.   He  predicted that  a  five-year wait  would                                                               
adversely  impact the  community since  most of  the people  will                                                               
move from  Fairbanks.  He concluded  that it is all  natural gas,                                                               
the  distribution system  will  be built  out  once the  trucking                                                               
happens, and it will also  enhance the pipeline project since the                                                               
distribution system will  be built out and the  community will be                                                               
ready to receive gas.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:03:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD  GREEN, Member,  Board of  Directors,  Alaska State  Home                                                               
Building  Association (ASHBA)  -  Interior, stated  he works  for                                                               
Spenard Builders Supply in Fairbanks.   He said he hadn't planned                                                               
on speaking  but understood  [the committee  needed to  hear from                                                               
Fairbanks].   He said Fairbanks is  excited to get gas.   He also                                                               
said  that Fairbanks  is not  excited about  having to  truck the                                                               
gas; however, it  is a band aid that will  help the community and                                                               
give it  a reprieve.   He  likened it  to taking  the best  way a                                                               
person could  take home  if he/she was  stranded.   He reiterated                                                               
that the folks in Fairbanks want this [bill.]                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  said he was  pleased with  an article that  ran [not                                                               
specified] in the community.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  offered his  belief that the  article [not                                                               
specified] energized people.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:05:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AARON   WELTERLEN,   President,   Alaska  State   Home   Building                                                               
Association (ASHBA)  - Interior, offered  his total support  of a                                                               
short-term solution to  bring natural gas to  Fairbanks since the                                                               
community  needs  it   to  alleviate  high  energy   costs.    He                                                               
understood [trucking  gas from the  North Slope] is  a short-term                                                               
solution,  but  the long-term  solution  will  be a  natural  gas                                                               
pipeline.  He said he is completely in favor of HB 74.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:06:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETE  HIGGINS, Alaska State Legislature,  spoke in                                                               
support of the LNG  project.  He urged members to  pass HB 74 out                                                               
of committee.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRICE  WARD,  Mayor, City  of  North  Pole,  asked to  point  out                                                               
several things.  First, he referred  to HB 74 as providing a step                                                               
project.    The  [LNG  Plant  and proposed  trucking  of  gas  to                                                               
Fairbanks]  is not  the end  goal,  but is  a step  in the  right                                                               
direction.  Second, this bill  will allow the Fairbanks and North                                                               
Pole areas  to build  out their distribution  network to  allow a                                                               
larger diameter pipeline  sufficient volume to not  only make the                                                               
project  viable,  but  also provide  natural  gas  to  residents.                                                               
Third, HB  74 would aid  development of natural resources  in the                                                               
state by providing  North Slope stranded natural  gas anywhere in                                                               
the state  with truck access.  Additionally, the LNG  plant would                                                               
allow propane  to travel throughout  the state's river  system to                                                               
rural villages,  which is important  since rural Alaska  has much                                                               
higher energy  costs.  This  approach [HB 74] contains  a broader                                                               
approach  than to  just  address Fairbank's  needs  since it  can                                                               
address  rural Alaska's  needs,  too.   He  emphasized that  this                                                               
clean burning gas  will be available statewide.   While LNG would                                                               
be transported to  Fairbanks, this gas could  also be transported                                                               
to Tok,  Cantwell, Delta Junction  and other  communities outside                                                               
Interior Alaska.  Finally, he hoped  this will be the catalyst to                                                               
build the  distribution system.   He stated  that the  North Pole                                                               
City Council  recently passed a  resolution in support of  HB 74.                                                               
He encouraged the committee to pass the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY  CLEWORTH, Mayor,  City of  Fairbanks, said  for the  first                                                               
time since  he could  remember the  community of  Fairbanks feels                                                               
that the  problems Fairbanks  has been  facing will  be addressed                                                               
and  he appreciated  the effort  taken  on energy  projects.   He                                                               
explained that the  package [in HB 74] is a  series of loans that                                                               
will be repaid.  He acknowledged  lots of capital and equity will                                                               
be  necessary for  the build  out of  the distribution  system to                                                               
serve  residences   [and  businesses].    He   predicted  a  huge                                                               
participation   would   be   undertaken  by   Interior   Alaska's                                                               
residents.  He thanked the governor  for requesting HB 74 and its                                                               
companion bill.   He  offered his appreciation  for the  work the                                                               
governor and AIDEA have taken on these measures.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:11:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS, Mayor, Fairbanks North  Star Borough (FNSB), stated                                                               
that  this bill  is very  critical  to Fairbanks's  economy.   He                                                               
pointed out  that the  Interior is being  hammered by  high space                                                               
heating costs.   Additionally, he reported that  energy costs are                                                               
even higher in rural Alaska.   He said these loans will be repaid                                                               
by  ratepayers,  as  indicated  by   AIDEA.    He  noted  earlier                                                               
questions arose  about conversion  of residential  and commercial                                                               
structures  to gas.   He  acknowledged this  is important  due to                                                               
market penetration, but more  importantly, the U.S. Environmental                                                               
Protection Agency  (EPA)'s fine  particle, PM2.5  designation for                                                               
air quality is  still present.  The air quality  can be addressed                                                               
by the natural gas distribution,  which will alleviate and remedy                                                               
the air  quality problem in  Fairbanks.  He suggested  the market                                                               
penetration anticipated  at 90 percent will  resolve the problems                                                               
with air  quality without  having the EPA  take steps  to enforce                                                               
air   quality.     Further,  this   bill  would   also  encourage                                                               
development.   He related  that he  often hears  businesses state                                                               
they  would be  willing to  operate in  the community  if cheaper                                                               
energy is available, but their  business models are based on much                                                               
cheaper  energy  costs.    In conclusion,  he  asked  members  to                                                               
consider  the  importance of  HB  74  to  the community  and  for                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:14:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BEEDLE, President  and CEO,  Northrim  Bank; Member,  Alaska                                                               
Bankers  Association (ABA),  spoke in  favor  of HB  74 to  allow                                                               
AIDEA to provide financing for  a LNG production and distribution                                                               
system.   He  said from  an atmospheric  perspective, the  Alaska                                                               
Bankers   Association   also   supports  the   in-state   gasline                                                               
development.   He  offered  his belief  that  these projects  are                                                               
complementary as  is the enabling  legislation.  During  the past                                                               
year,  the banks  have  collectively  and individually  supported                                                               
AIDEA's  Sustainable Energy  Transmission and  Supply Development                                                               
(SETS)  funds.   Additionally, he  reported that  the banks  have                                                               
been working closely  with AIDEA on the SETS  program, which also                                                               
includes commercial buildings energy efficiency financing.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BEEDLE said specifically, with  respect to HB 74, the bankers                                                               
believe  inherent manageable  risks are  associated with  the LNG                                                               
project; however, many  financial tools are needed  to bring this                                                               
to fruition and  attract investors and lenders.   With respect to                                                               
the  fiscal  notes,  as Representative  Chenault  discussed,  the                                                               
bankers  also  want  to  ensure  that  Alaska  retains  the  SETS                                                               
program, which  was funded last  year.   He pointed out  that the                                                               
SETS program addresses a different  and more holistic need than a                                                               
single project.  Thus, Alaska's bankers  do not wish to see HB 74                                                               
detract from  the SETS program.   Alaska's bankers believe  it is                                                               
possible for AIDEA  to set aside the $100 to  $125 million, which                                                               
can be leveraged four to five  times.  He detailed that the funds                                                               
are set aside in  the form of a trust to get  called upon in case                                                               
of  a default  for  credit enhancement  or  guaranteed issues  to                                                               
banks;  however, it's  not  dollar  for dollar.    In fact,  that                                                               
amount can  accommodate $400  to $500 million  in loans  for SETS                                                               
and it could  similarly help with other  project development such                                                               
as  the LNG  project.    He expressed  caution  on fiscal  notes,                                                               
noting the  banks are ready to  work with the SETS  program, this                                                               
program, and  other programs such  as the Brooks  Range Petroleum                                                               
Corporation  (BRPC) Mustang  Oil  Field  Development Program.  He                                                             
said  Alaska's bankers  are comfortable  with  AIDEA's roles  and                                                               
promulgated regulations.   In conclusion, he  offered support for                                                               
HB 74  and asked  the committee  to ensure  the fiscal  notes can                                                               
accommodate both the SETS and project financing.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:18:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  BAILEY, Director,  Public Relations,  Fairbanks North  Star                                                               
Borough School  District (FNSBSD), stated this  bill is paramount                                                               
to the economic health of  Interior Alaska and rural communities.                                                               
The  FNSB  School   District  provides  heat  and   power  to  34                                                               
buildings, of which 23 buildings use  fuel oil.  During the 2011-                                                               
2012 school  year, the  district burned  478,517 gallons  of fuel                                                               
oil  and  spent  approximately  $4  million  on  electricity,  he                                                               
reported.  The school district  supports the legislature's effort                                                               
to  secure and  supply  affordable natural  gas  to the  greatest                                                               
number  of Interior  residences  and businesses  in the  shortest                                                               
amount  of time  possible.   This bill  would help  expedite that                                                               
process.  He  recalled questions on the cost for  conversion.  He                                                               
reported that one  elementary school in the  district used 22,000                                                               
gallons of  fuel oil last year.   He estimated cost  of that fuel                                                               
to be $39,000, based on the  fuel equivalent of $2.67 per gallon.                                                               
The district estimates  that the conversion from fuel  oil to gas                                                               
would pay for itself in two years or less.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:20:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HANK BARTOS,  Member, Lowell Group,  stated the Lowell  Group has                                                               
worked  for five  years  to  try to  develop  a  low cost  energy                                                               
program for Fairbanks.  He said that HB  74 is the way to go.  He                                                               
asked members to consider this as  a project that would bridge to                                                               
a pipeline.   Currently, the cost of heating oil  and gasoline is                                                               
over $4 per  gallon.  The cost of transportation  diesel is $4.30                                                               
per gallon  and a kWh is  over 20 cents.   Fairbanks energy costs                                                               
are some of the highest in  the nation and have driven homeowners                                                               
to heat their  homes with wood burning appliances.   If fact, the                                                               
community has had  record sales in wood  burning appliances since                                                               
wood is  the cheapest  energy source for  heating.   However, the                                                               
use  of wood  for heating  fuel  has caused  air quality  issues.                                                               
During  November  through March,  North  Pole  and Fairbanks  had                                                               
significant numbers  of unhealthy  air days, with  highs reaching                                                               
19-25 days for some months.   He emphasized the only way to solve                                                               
the air  quality issue  is to  switch to natural  gas and  such a                                                               
transition could  reduce emissions by  90 percent.   He cautioned                                                               
that the  EPA can cut  federal highway  funding in Alaska  due to                                                               
non-compliance with air  quality.  He urged members  to solve the                                                               
problem by passing HB 74.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:23:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS GILLITZER stated  he and his wife are  senior citizens and                                                               
have  been affected  by  air quality  issues,  which has  limited                                                               
their activities.   Further, their  daughter lives in  North Pole                                                               
with  small children  in  an  area that  is  referred  to as  the                                                               
"rectangle  of death."    He  said he  can't  imagine kids  going                                                               
outside at  recess in  the elementary  school across  the street.                                                               
He offered  his belief  that natural  gas will go  a long  way to                                                               
bring clean air to the area.   He acknowledged he could leave the                                                               
state, but he wants to stay in the area.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:24:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY ATWOOD  said he  is a  60-year resident  who spent  20 years                                                               
driving a  truck, and  that he  has also  served as  the business                                                               
manager for  the Teamsters  Local 959  during the  pipeline days.                                                               
He urged members not to take  any action that would slow down the                                                               
pipeline from the North Slope  to Fairbanks.  He highlighted that                                                               
this bill  could set  up the  infrastructure and  delivery system                                                               
[for use  with a pipeline.]   He predicted the pipeline  could be                                                               
built in  a couple years with  local hire.  He  expressed concern                                                               
about  delaying the  pipeline and  related that  he has  used all                                                               
types  of energy  from  wood to  electric, but  the  cost of  oil                                                               
delivery  is like  picking up  a second  mortgage since  it costs                                                               
about $1,200 every other month to heat his home.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:26:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID GARDNER,  Vice President of Marketing  and Member Services,                                                               
Golden  Valley  Electric Association  (GVEA),  stated  that as  a                                                               
major  consumer of  oil, GVEA  strongly  supports bringing  lower                                                               
cost  fuel such  as  LNG to  the  Interior.   He  said that  GVEA                                                               
provides  an  essential service  to  more  than 100,000  Interior                                                               
residents  from Cantwell  to Delta  Junction.   Due to  the price                                                               
GVEA pays for  fuel for its generators, this  essential service -                                                               
electricity - comes  with the highest cost of any  utility in the                                                               
Railbelt.   He predicted  that burning natural  gas in  the North                                                               
Pole  expansion  power  plant could  potentially  save  customers                                                               
millions of  dollars annually.   In addition to cost  savings, an                                                               
LNG  trucking  could  reduce  space   heating  costs,  lower  air                                                               
pollution  levels, provide  less  expensive  propane to  villages                                                               
along  the  Yukon River,  and  provide  LNG to  Anchorage  during                                                               
natural gas  shortages.  He  concluded that GVEA is  committed to                                                               
this project to  mitigate costs to the  Interior residents, looks                                                               
forward  to working  with AIDEA,  and sharing  its expertise  and                                                               
work products  to help facilitate  completion of this  project as                                                               
soon as possible.  He urged the committee to support HB 74.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROGER BURGGRAF  offered his support  for HB  74.  He  stated that                                                               
the  LNG plant  and  trucking  proposal is  a  short or  mid-term                                                               
proposal  designed to  bring reasonably  priced gas  to Fairbanks                                                               
and Interior Alaska.  He said  he has been waiting since 1958 for                                                               
Fairbanks  to receive  natural gas.    When fuel  oil costs  were                                                               
lower Interior  residents survived;  however, times  have changed                                                               
and electricity  bills are  very high  with fuel  costs typically                                                               
even higher.   As previously  mentioned Fairbanksans  have turned                                                               
to  wood to  heat  their  homes, which  has  created air  quality                                                               
problems.  He related that diesel  and fuel oil costs are over $4                                                               
per gallon, which is killing  the community's ability to survive.                                                               
The cold climate  in Fairbanks makes it even more  difficult.  He                                                               
said, "EPA  is breathing  down our necks  because of  air quality                                                               
problems and that can only be  cured by getting natural gas."  He                                                               
reiterated that  he has been waiting  53 years for gas  to arrive                                                               
in  Fairbanks.    He  has   not  seen  progress  toward  pipeline                                                               
construction and  even if a  pipeline is approved it  would still                                                               
have an  8-10 year lag time.   He concluded by  stating, "We need                                                               
gas  and we  need it  now."   He  hoped the  committee will  look                                                               
favorably on  the proposal since Fairbanks's  future is dependent                                                               
upon this support.   He pointed out that  Fairbanks has supported                                                               
other  activities throughout  the  state and  is  now asking  for                                                               
support [for HB 74] today.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:31:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM MCAMIS agreed  with Mr. Burggraf that  Fairbanks has been                                                               
waiting a  very long time [for  natural gas].  He  stated that he                                                               
will be  a 50-year  resident this fall  and has  observed project                                                               
proposals  over  time, ranging  from  various  gas pipelines  and                                                               
dams, but  nothing has happened.   In fact, one project  on Chena                                                               
Hot Springs  Road was abandoned and  has trees growing up  at the                                                               
site.   Since 1998,  the cost of  oil went from  $1 to  $4, which                                                               
means it has  quadrupled in 15 years and the  cost of electricity                                                               
has  similarly  increased,  with  propane  and  wood  costs  also                                                               
rising.    Even  though  the  LNG trucking  project  may  not  be                                                               
perfect,  it can  be done  in the  near term  and will  solve air                                                               
quality problems,  decrease electricity,  and space heating.   He                                                               
surmised that  due to  sequestration, significant  reductions may                                                               
happen  at  Eielson Air  Force  Base  and  Fort Wainwright.    He                                                               
predicted  that energy  costs will  factor into  those decisions.                                                               
He thanked the committee.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:32:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BYRAN  IMUS, Member,  Laborers Local  942, said  his points  have                                                               
already been  made.  He said,  "Fairbanks is slowly dying  on the                                                               
vine and  this would  just be  a good start  to get  the momentum                                                               
rolling  ... and  improve the  long-term  outlook for  Fairbanks.                                                               
People  are  not  positive  about   the  long-term  viability  of                                                               
Fairbanks.  This would be a  great step in that direction.  Thank                                                               
you."                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:33:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 74 was held over.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:33 p.m. to 4:35 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB76 Draft Proposed Amendment ver A.1-Josephson.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 76
HB76 Supporting Documents-DOLWD Response to Question by Rep. Josephson-UI Max WBA 3.6.13.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 76
HB74 Supporting Documents-Assorted letters and emails of support 3-12-2013.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 74
HB112 ver A.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB112 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB112 Opposing Documents-Assorted Letters and Emails 3-12-2013.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB76 Draft Proposed Amendment ver A.2-Herron.PDF HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 76
HB112 Fiscal Note-DOR-TAX-03-12-13.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB112 Fiscal Note-DCCED-DED-03-07-13.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB112 Supporting Documents-2013_AFO_AnnualReport_Final.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB112 Supporting Documents-August 2012 Audit of AFPTIP.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 112
HB76 Supporting Documents-Letter State Chamber 3-12-2013.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 76
HB74 Supporting Documents-Assorted letters and emails 3-13-2013-am.pdf HL&C 3/13/2013 3:15:00 PM
HB 74